4:00 — but what about Bd2 for black ?? … Bb4 is ALSO a good resistance effort. Yes, it's true: Black eventually LOSES under optimal play by White… … but these are good moves to PROLONG THE GAME AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE , yet you didn't explore them AT ALL !! :O .
There's another interesting line after playing Bd4 while black has their bishop on e1. If they go Bd2, you have to play Bf2 and then regardless of what black does (as long as they don't trivially give the bishop away for free or allow you to checkmate with Ne3#), you have to play Nc3 with the idea of going Ne4, forcing black to give up their bishop due to the double mate threat.
Many persons asked, what if after Bb6 black plays Bd2 (instead of Be1, shown in the video). Then Bf2 Bf4 Nc3 Bd2 Ne4 Bf4 (only square, where the bishop stops both, Nd2# and Ng3#, but now the f2 bishop is defended by the knight, so) Kxf4 wins the bishop.
I'd say the point if 2. Bd4 was to cover c3 rather than drop back to e5 – after 1. Bc5 Ba5 2. Ne3+ Ke1 White can still drop back with 3. Bd6, but Black can then survive with 3. … Bc3. (Also, the line 1. … Bd2 2. Bf2 followed by Nd1-c3-e4 feels worth discussing, and the position after 4. Be5 is still a win with White to move, through Bg3+.) Nonetheless, a great puzzle and video – I enjoyed it a lot!
We're not going to mention that the position is only possible if the black king comes for the bishop instead of taking a knight, or if he moved the bishop last move and just didn't take the bishop
What about the fifty move rule? Assuming black took the last pawn getting into the puzzle's starting position. It sounds like it's quite a number of moves to capture the bishop, before starting the bishop-knight plan for checkmate. If black plays enough moves, it will go over the fifty moves and be a draw.
Wow thanks for posting this puzzle 🙂
4:08 You forgot to explain the outcome for moving black bishop to D2. Even though the result is still a loss, just faster 🙂
Burned my grilled cheese watching this video. Thanks Nelson.
Yeah stopping what I was doing for that was a good decision.
4:00 — but what about Bd2 for black ?? … Bb4 is ALSO a good resistance effort.
Yes, it's true: Black eventually LOSES under optimal play by White… … but these are good moves to PROLONG THE GAME AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE , yet you didn't explore them AT ALL !! :O
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Would have been a great puzzle for chess adventures
There's another interesting line after playing Bd4 while black has their bishop on e1. If they go Bd2, you have to play Bf2 and then regardless of what black does (as long as they don't trivially give the bishop away for free or allow you to checkmate with Ne3#), you have to play Nc3 with the idea of going Ne4, forcing black to give up their bishop due to the double mate threat.
"And after you win Black Bishop you will need to spend another 20-30 moves to checkmate with King-Knight-Bishop")))
stops breathing
I remember those good old videos of Martin challenges😢😢😢
What about bd2?
The real puzzle comes right after winning the black bishop!
Challenge: Play against Martin, but you have to copy every move as black.
what if black plays bishiop d2
That was incredible. It's the kind of thing that makes chess such a magical game.
I love how Nelson always assumes I have friends.
7:14 is not zugzwang because if black is allowed to pass the move, Bg3 Kd2 Nc4 still forks
What's about d2
Thank you Nelson, I love these presentations and also, your very cool delivery on the details!
What about if Black play Bd2 after white's Bb6?
As soon as i saw the puzzle my brain went back to "the horse does a W"
Many persons asked, what if after Bb6 black plays Bd2 (instead of Be1, shown in the video).
Then Bf2 Bf4 Nc3 Bd2 Ne4 Bf4 (only square, where the bishop stops both, Nd2# and Ng3#, but now the f2 bishop is defended by the knight, so) Kxf4 wins the bishop.
Yeah I didn't solve that one funnily enough. Best puzzle I've seen in a long time.
The win Stockfish said I missed:
Wow, what an incredible puzzle!
6:47 It's NOT zugzwang! If Black have option not to move, it's win for White anyway.
Because of Be5-g3+ Ke1-d2 Se3-c4+ fork.
Me: reads the title
Also me: stops breathing
Bishop b2, then horse e3, easier checkmate but black Bishop to d2 still stops both yours and this moves. From start.
Why doesn’t bf2 work?
How about Bishop to F2, then Knight to E3 check mate right off the bat?
Chuck Norris solved that blindfolded
I'd say the point if 2. Bd4 was to cover c3 rather than drop back to e5 – after 1. Bc5 Ba5 2. Ne3+ Ke1 White can still drop back with 3. Bd6, but Black can then survive with 3. … Bc3. (Also, the line 1. … Bd2 2. Bf2 followed by Nd1-c3-e4 feels worth discussing, and the position after 4. Be5 is still a win with White to move, through Bg3+.) Nonetheless, a great puzzle and video – I enjoyed it a lot!
Stockfish knows this right?
Cant believe i just listened to a youtube video before i even clicked on it
We're not going to mention that the position is only possible if the black king comes for the bishop instead of taking a knight, or if he moved the bishop last move and just didn't take the bishop
Youre wife got her first win so are you still gonna make a new video
😳that's a real brain buster Teacher Nelson 😮 COOL STUFF 😊THANKS.
Domination!!
Ok I did what title told me to do
I'm not sure even grandmasters would be able to solve this puzzle
Alternative title: the scummiest way to suffocate a bishop.
At the very beginning I would have offered a draw. Because even if i captured that bishop i dont even know how to mate with knight+bishop😂
Great puzzle! Will have to rewatch a few times to remember it
how come there's no outro 😂
6:10 why not bishop f2?
Is there a way for black to delay the game and force a draw through the 50 move rule?
This puzzle is definitely a top 5 puzzle. Just insane!
Puzzle was great, title of the video not so great
What about the fifty move rule? Assuming black took the last pawn getting into the puzzle's starting position. It sounds like it's quite a number of moves to capture the bishop, before starting the bishop-knight plan for checkmate. If black plays enough moves, it will go over the fifty moves and be a draw.
So no matter what happens, black bishop will be eliminated from the board somehow so the white knight & bishop remain to checkmate the black king!